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Latino Youth Defines DREAM Act as a DeFacto Military Draft

By VAMOS Unidos Youth

We write this statement to raise our voices as Latino youth working and living in the Bronx, New York in opposition to the DREAM ACT as it stands. We demand that we return to our original DREAM ACT that had a community service option instead of a military one. The military has been losing their numbers due to the multiple wars the US has begun. The DREAM ACT would hand us over on a platter to fight these unjust wars. The DREAM ACT has been warped over the years to draft Latino youth into the military, as they need more and more soldiers to fight their wars.

We have been living under harsh conditions. Our communities have been historically underprivileged, with militarized streets, schools that seem more like jails than educational institutions, and poverty that pushes people to desperation and sadness. We have grown up with the trauma of having our family members and friends detained, jailed, and deported. But we are strong and determined, so we keep onwards. We have stood next to our parents as they worked as street vendors, as they were ticketed, arrested, and sometimes assaulted by police for trying to make a living. We, as youth, have also been ticketed and arrested alongside our parents. We have come to understand what it is to be humiliated and then stand and fight for what is right, what is principled, what is just. Our parents’ unrelenting strength to fight for us and their rights have taught us to always stand up for what is right and never sell out.

We have asked ourselves “Is the DREAM ACT an advantage or disadvantage for us as immigrant youth?” Many of us were excited about the possibility of getting documents and finally being able to be recognized as human beings, be able to get a job, an education, and help our families. Along with our teachers and mentors we delved into community organizing and becoming politically conscious. We began learning about our history and our people’s resistance. We then expanded to other cultures and histories and began to appreciate them. We marched side by side with youth from all over the world including South Asia and the Middle East. We saw that within our hearts there was no difference, and enjoyed each other’s company and diversity. Our spirits were momentarily paralyzed when we began learning about the effects of war and how their families and communities had been destroyed. We began to ask ourselves “How can we stop these wars, how can we help?” Our political education allowed us to see through the military propaganda and the army recruiters in our blocks and schools. Speaking to our peers we saw how the military was using them to fight wars that didn’t concern us and killed our friends. This forced us to look at the DREAM ACT a lot closer.

THE DREAM ACT REVEALED

In order to qualify for the DREAM ACT you have to have migrated before the age of 16 and have proof of residence in the United States for five consecutive years since the date of arrival. Also, you have to have graduated from high school or have a GED. This would eliminate many of our older youth, those that did not finish high school, and recent arrivals. You must then complete the following:

1. Serve two years in the military, or;

2. Finish two years of bachelor’s program or higher degree in the US.

What happened to the community service option that the original DREAM ACT contained? Why did our supposed advocates allow for the removal of the community service option? Was it because it became in this form the DREAM ACT became winnable? At what expense?

Two Years of College

The first option on the DREAM ACT is to go to school for at least two years; this is great for people who can afford the high tuition rates. But what about those of us who do not have enough money for the tuition, the books, and personal expenses? Also let’s not forget about our families who have more than one undocumented child who needs to go to school to get their papers.

DREAM ACT proponents say that most people will not go to the military, that they can afford school if we work. Unfortunately those folks are distanced from our realities and don’t understand our economic hardships. We broke down the cost of each year in school without the aid of Pell Grants or Financial Aid for attending two years of a four years University; our calculations were the following for a university in Ohio, which does not allow in-state tuition for undocumented students:

Cleveland State University: Out of State

* 12 Credit Hours – $7,884.00 X 2 = 1 Year = $15,768.00 X 2 years = $31,536.00

* Expenses for Students Living at Home with their Parents = $6,568.00 X 2 years = 13,136.00

* GRAND TOTAL = $44,672.00

Only 10 states allow for undocumented students to pay for in-state tuition. The majority of undocumented youth would have to pay amounts as stated in the example above. We are lucky to be in New York as it is one of the states that allow undocumented youth to apply for in-state tuition. At the same time we understand that by accepting the terms under the DREAM ACT most youth would not have the same opportunity we do here in New York. Undocumented youth in states like North Carolina, Virginia, Illinois, Ohio, New Mexico would be forced to take the military option in large numbers as they would not be able to pay the high prices of education. For this reason we do not support the DREAM ACT.

Two Years of Military Requirement

We, the VAMOS UNIDOS YOUTH, do not support the DREAM ACT due to the military component. The fact that it has been introduced as a defense appropriation bill adds insult to injury. The DREAM ACT is a de facto military draft, forcing undocumented youth to fight in unjust wars in exchange for the recognition as human beings, a Green Card. This is a trick by the politicians, Democratic Party, and DC immigration advocates. The same way many supposed “advocates” for immigrant rights sold out the community with Comprehensive Immigration Reform (CIR), they now sell us out with the DREAM ACT. We stand against any militarization- whether it is of the border, our communities, or our status. We will not kill innocent people in exchange for Green Cards.

Our parents have firmly stated in their fight for immigration reform, “We will not accept papers tainted with the blood of our people still crossing the border and dying,” in regards to CIR and it’s militarization of the border component. We say the same “We will not be used for the wars of the corporations and the rich in any part of the world in exchange of blood-stained immigration papers.”

We make a call out to all community organizations and allies to stand firmly on what is principled, against the DREAM ACT if it contains the military provision. Our fight will not be won in one or two years. We are prepared to organize our communities and struggle for many years. We cannot negotiate out our lives, our dignity, and the lives of others. We must rethink our strategies and take control away from the DC immigration advocates which have shown us they don’t have our interest. They have watered down good legislation at a very high cost to the community. Our communities need to decide and take control. We stand with our brothers and sisters affected by wars; we feel their pain and desperation. We will not be used to decimate other countries and their people. Thus, we stand together against the DREAM ACT with the militarization component and fight for what is principled, even if it takes us a very long time.

In Solidarity, VAMOS UNIDOS YOUTH

vamosunidos@gmail.com

VAMOS Unidos: Vendedores Ambulantes Movilizando y Organizando en Solidaridad (Street Vendors Mobilizing and Organizing in Solidarity), is a Bronx, NY, community-based social justice organization founded by low-income Latina/Latino immigrant street vendors.

March for Justice on October 2!

What: One Nation Working Together
Who: A broad-based national coalition of labor, racial and economic justice groups, community organizations, and antiwar organizations.
Where: Washington D.C. on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial
When: Saturday, October 2

One Nation

Dear fellow War Resisters,

As the U.S. expenditure on war is at an all-time high of over $700 billion per year, the people of the U.S. are enduring the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression. This is having a devastating  effect on our communities, with half of our tax dollars going to support wars and not human needs, and increased militarism at home and at our borders. It is clear that these wars are not good for anyone–not the people living in the countries we’re occupying, not the troops who are fighting these imperialist wars, and not the people of the U.S.

War Resisters League and other antiwar groups are organizing important new partnerships to end war and slash the bloated and immoral U.S. military budget. One Nation Working Together is a historic coming together of movements for peace and justice, initiated by groups including the NAACP, 1199 SEIU, the National Council of La Raza, Green for All, Center for Community Change, and the United States Student Association. We need your support to strengthen our movement and bring peace activists to the October 2nd One Nation Working Together demonstration.

On October 2, peace activists will march on Washington D.C., joining civil rights, labor, immigrant justice, environmental and other progressive organizations to demand:

  • Jobs and economic recovery
  • Cuts in military spending to fund human needs
  • Peace abroad and renewable energy at home
War Resisters League is a member organization of the Peace Table for October 2, bringing local and national peace organizations to this massive demonstration to counter racist, classist, and anti-immigrant attacks from the right and to unify a majority of the people of the U.S. around an inspiring vision of our nation based on principles of peace and social justice.

Members of the War Resisters League are headed to Washington D.C. on October 2nd. Will you be there?

Join WRL along with peace and social justice organizations from all over the country and stand with the rest of the people around the world in calling for justice, not just for the people of the U.S., but for all people, an end to U.S. wars and occupations, and the defunding of the military budget.

If you plan on going, please let us know! WRL members will be joining with many other antiwar groups that day to march in solidarity with those most affected by militarism. We would love for you to march with us! Send an email to kimber@warresisters.org or call 212-228-0450 Ext. 12.

NWTRCC

Check out the completely redesigned website of the National War Tax Resistance Coordinating Committee at www.nwtrcc.org

Now it’s easier than ever to…
· Find answers to questions about how to refuse to pay for war and the consequences
· Discover personal stories of those who have stood up to the IRS and said “NO!”
· Locate a resistance counselor in your area
· Order resources online that assist you in keeping your taxes away from the Pentagon
· Find notices of upcoming gatherings or workshops
· Uncover articles, radio, video stories of war tax resisters from the media

You’ll also find dates for screenings of the film Death and Taxes.

Check it out today – www.nwtrcc.org

International Days of Action in Solidarity with Bradley Manning, September 16-19th

Support Bradley Manning!

Oakland, California, USA

Thursday, September 16th, 7-9pm

Humanist Hall, 390 27th Street, Oakland CA (Between Telegraph and Broadway)

Speakers:

DANIEL ELLSBERG, Pentagon Papers whistle-blower
COL. ANN WRIGHT (ret.), former US diplomat
RAY MCGOVERN, former CIA analyst
AIMEE ALLISON, author and KPFA Morning Show Host

Wikileaks “Collateral Murder” video screening

This event will be webcast live and made available at michaelmoore.com.

Presented by Courage to Resist, with the help of National Lawyers Guild Bay Area Military Law Panel, Veterans for Peace-Bay Area Chapter, CodePink, War Resisters League-West, Iraq Veterans Against the War-Bay Area, and BAY-Peace.

The Bradley Manning defense fund is hosted by Courage to Resist in collaboration with the Bradley Manning Support Network. $5 requested donation at the door for event expenses, with a pitch during the event for the Bradley Manning defense effort.

Wheelchair accessible via the 411 28th Street entrance. For more info, or to make a tax-deductible donation, please contact Courage to Resist at +1 510-488-3559 or courage(at)riseup.net

New York, New York

September 26th, 7pm

Where: St. Mary’s Church (521 West 126th Street)

What: Screening of Collateral Murder

Speakers: Ethan McCord (Member of “Collateral Murder” Unit)

and Matthis Chiroux (Iraq War resister)

Contact: debra@worldcantwait.net

Elaine Brower – (917) 520-0767

Cambridge, Massachusetts

Sunday, September 18th at 4pm

What: Rally for Bradley Manning! Sponsored in part by Veterans for Peace

Where: In front of 77 Massachusetts Avenue, Cambridge, MA (MIT building with the dome.)
More info:   t.ben. thompson@ gmail. com

Corvallis, Oregon

Where: Benton Country Courthouse, Corvallis, OR, 97330
When: Friday September 17, 2010 at 5 PM
What: Rally for Bradley Manning! Supported by Veterans for Peace
More info: leahbolger. comcast. net

Keene, New Hampshire

Where: Keene town commons
When: 11:00am, Saturday September 18th

NH Peace Action, in conjunction with the Keene weekly vigil and organizers from the Free State Project are organizing a state-wide vigil.

Featured speaker: Jim Chappelow
Jim Chappelow served as an infantryman in Operation Iraqi Freedom and is a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War and Veterans for Peace. Jim moved to New Hampshire in 2007 as part of the Free State Project.

More information: will@ nhpeaceaction. org

Knoxville, Tennessee, USA

Where: University of Tennessee, Knoxville
When: September 16th
More info: aessif@ utk.edu

Los Angeles, California, USA

Where: Top of the Santa Monica Pier (Palisades Park, just north of the pier at the cannon)
When: Sunday, September 19th, 1pm-3pm
More info: tulipsmalloy@aol.com

Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

Global Days of Action in Support of Bradley Manning
Twin Cities Rally & Public Screening of Collateral Murder

Friday, September 17th
Rally: 4:30 p.m. – 6 p.m.
Collateral Murder Video Screening: 5-6 p.m. (Indoors)
Location: Mayday Bookstore – 301 Cedar Avenue – Minneapolis

Join us on Friday, September 17th for a rally to urge the United States government to drop the charges against Bradley Manning. Along with the rally, we will also be hosting a public showing of the WikiLeaks classic, Collateral Murder. We have reserved the bookstore from 5-6 p.m. for indoor viewings of Collateral Murder and short statements from local anti-war activists and groups. For those who prefer to stay outside the entire time, we will have signs, petitions to sign, and literature to pass out from 4:30 onwards at the nearby plaza.

Are you a local peace activist or organization? If you would like to sign on or issue your own statement in support of Bradley Manning, let us know. Email: smilyus@msn.com

New Haven, Connecticut, USA

When: Friday September 17, 2010, 4 PM
Where: 59 Elm Street, New Haven, CT 06510. In front of Rosa DeLauro’s office.
What: War Moratorium Vigil in honor of Bradley Manning, sponsored by the Greater New Haven Peace Council
More info: grnhpeacecouncil2@gmail.com

Norfolk, Virginia, USA

When:  Friday, September 17, 2010, 11:30am-1pm
Where: Granby St. & City Hall Ave., Norfolk, VA
What: Vigil for Bradley Manning!  Holding signs, pass out flyers and blow whistles calling for charges to be dropped against Manning, and to support his exposing of war crimes. Sponsored by the Norfolk Catholic Worker
More info: willbaggs2002@yahoo. com

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA

Sponsor: Oklahoma Center for Conscience (centerforconscience.org). Friday, September 17 from 5:00 pm to 6:00 pm. Location: SE Corner of S. 59th and Western Avenue, Oklahoma City

We will be doing a(nother) demo for Bradley in Oklahoma City. The third Friday is our regular day for our monthly peace vigil, but we will dedicate this one to awareness and calls for freedom for Bradley. We hope to again have some old friends of Bradley’s from Crescent join us. (Contact: Rena at Center for Conscience)

After the demo, some of us will go to the nearby Mexican restaurant, Cocino de Mino.

Quantico, Virginia, USA

Sunday, September 19, 2010

11:30 a.m., Town of Quantico Municipal Park (River Road and 4th Avenue). Drivers will need to present valid drivers license, and we do have a permit for the rally from the mayor Quantico.

IVAW, Code Pink, and other area activists will have a rally, anti-war veterans will speak. We have Bradley manning whistles — so you can be a whistleblower, too!

Details: There will be a fundraiser/social Sept. 16th, 6:30 p.m., at the Mott House located at Maryland Avenue and First Street NE for those wishing to engage in the door-to-door peace mission. Carpooling will be organized, and the Amtrak also goes to Quantico. To sign up for carpooling and/or know about future Quantico events, contact Pete Perry, pete4peace (at) gmail  (dot) com

Rochester, Minnesota, USA

Date: Thursday September 16th, 2010
Time: 5 PM
Location: South Broadway & 2nd Street SW, Rochester, MN, 55902
Details: Peace Happening in Support of Bradley Manning! Sponsored by the Southeastern Minnesota Peace Makers
Learn more: www.semnap.org

San Diego, California, USA

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Date: Sunday, September 19, 2010
Location: Horton Plaza, 4th & Broadway (See: http://westfield.com/hortonplaza/)
Rally: 12 PM-2PM

Will include a screening of Collateral Murder
Sponsored by: Activist San Diego, San Diego Peace and Justice Coalition, (Contact: Gabe C.)

San Francisco, California, USA

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Date: Saturday, September 18, 2pm.
Time: 2pm rally, 3pm march. 4pm end at Union Square.
Location: in front of the SF War Memorial Building, 401 Van Ness Avenue, San Francisco, California.
Details: March and rally: Free Bradley Manning. Blowing the whistle on war crimes is not a crime!

Organized by Courage to Resist, Veterans for Peace-SF Bay Area, ANSWER Coalition, Bay Area United for Peace and Justice, and CodePink.

More info: 510-488-3559,  couragetoresist.org

Seattle/Fort Lewis, Washington, USA

Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010. Time: 2-4 pm
Location: “Freedom Bridge” and gate area at I-5 exit 122 (Madigan Hospital exit).
More information: projectsafehaven [at] hotmail [dot] com

Details: Greater Seattle Veterans For Peace (VFP 92) is organizing a Bradley Manning support rally at Fort Lewis, Washington for Saturday, September 18. VFP members and friends from around the region will show up blowing whistles and carrying signs that say “Blow the Whistle on War Crimes.” We will be reaching out to the GI’s, giving them “goody bags” with cookies, copies of Sir, No Sir!, and stickers that say “Whistle While You Work,” and give links to VFP and IVAW websites. We want the GI’s to know it is their duty to expose war crimes, and that we will back them up when they do.

Spokane, Washington, USA

Date: Thursday, September 16, 12:00 noon
Location: Corner of Wellesley and Division
What: Rally
More information: Cindy, quest2108 [at gmail [dot] com

Toronto, Ontario, Canada (Contact: Charlotte S.)

Date: Sunday, September 19, 2010. Time: 12:00 noon.
Location: US Consulate, University Avenue
More information: Charlotte S., +1 416-253-6784

Protest nuclear warhead test launch tomorrow!

Protest September 14, 11:55 pm (midnight) missile launch at Vandenberg Air Force Base:

NOTE 09/14/10: THIS LAUNCH AND PROTEST HAVE BEEN CANCELED More info to come!

Join the protest of the test launch of a Minuteman III Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) thermo-nuclear warhead delivery system from Vandenberg Air Force Base Kwajalein atoll in the Marshall Islands.

Uphold the good faith of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty!

Come to the front gate of Vandenberg Space Command / Air Force Base (across from Vandenberg Middle School, six miles north of Lompoc on Highway 1 in Santa Barbara County, CA )

See  www.vandenbergwitness.org or  www.macgregoreddy.com or call 831 206 5043 for details, or email macgregoreddy@gmail.com

Sponsored by

War Resisters League

United for Peace and Justice: Disarmament Working Group,

Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom,

Western State Legal Foundation,

Nevada Desert Experience and many others.

From Nor. Cal. Charter bus !  Comfortable Green Tortoise  round trip available from Oakland with stops in San Jose and Salinas down and back.

Students, you can sleep on the bus!

Also check out Democracy Now’s coverage of the 14 antiwar activists who held a ten-day vigil outside of the Creech Air Force base in Indian Springs, Nevada last year:

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/9/13/activists_go_on_trial_in_nevada

For  more info on the pre-trial rally and support for those going to trial, contact WRL member Jim Haber at 415-828-2506 or read about it on the website of Nevada Desert Experience or Voices for Creative Nonviolence.

IVAW Women’s Retreat this weekend!

Dear Supporters,

My name is Joyce Wagner. I am a Marine Corps veteran who served in Iraq in 2004 and 2005, and I am a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War. This Labor Day, IVAW women will hold our first ever retreat in support of women veterans.

Your donation today will help us make this important gathering happen. (Write in Women’s Retreat in the Designation Code area.)

You have heard about the realities for soldiers serving in Iraq and Afghanistan – the physical injuries sustained, the psychological trauma endured, the pressure of being separated from your family, the nagging weight on your conscience that you are part of a large and grave injustice.

Now imagine that you are a woman soldier.

In addition to these realities, if you are a woman service member, you are very likely to have been raped or faced continued sexual harassment by men in your unit. You likely have been passed over for promotion. As you risk your life in the line of duty, you may be ridiculed, insulted, or continually made to deny your woman-ness. You must constantly prove that you are not weak, that you deserve to have your back watched (by those same peers who may be sexually harassing you). And you may grow to distrust other women, just to fit into the hyper-masculine culture of the military.

The women in IVAW have faced these realities, and we are coming together to share our stories, heal from our experiences, and become powerful leaders to help women veterans end the wars. Together, we will explore the sexism and misogyny at the root of war and militarism, and we will begin to explore practical solidarity with the women of Iraq and Afghanistan, with whom we share a common humanity.

Your donation to support this retreat will help pay for food, lodging, and travel expenses for a woman veteran to attend. To donate now, click here, and write Women’s Retreat in the field marked “Designation code.”

I deployed to Iraq twice and took part in the April 2004 assault on Fallujah in which we used white phosphorus on civilians. I joined IVAW because I believe I have a responsibility to help create solutions for the damages I have caused others. It has been a long road toward regaining my humanity, and the women in IVAW have been my greatest support in my personal healing and my development as a grassroots leader. Today I am a mother, graduate student, and chapter president of Pittsburgh IVAW who is hosting this retreat.

Since IVAW’s founding, women have been organizing in the trenches and playing critical leadership roles within IVAW, but we are often the only woman in our chapter. It is time for us to come together to support each other’s leadership as IVAW prepares this fall to launch our first strategic campaign. We know that strengthening women’s leadership within IVAW will strengthen our GI and veteran’s resistance movement.

So far, we have raised one-third of the $10,500 needed to get all of our women to the retreat. Will you help us by donating today?  $350 will provide full sponsorship for a woman member to attend. But any amount helps, so please give whatever you can afford.

Please give today.

Thank you.

Joyce Wagner
Marine Corps Veteran, Mom, President of IVAW Pittsburgh

P.S. Don’t forget to write in “Women’s Retreat” as the Designation code when you make your gift.

Is the Iraq War Over?

On the U.S. Occupation of Iraq:

Please read and forward this statement written by the Organizing Network of the War Resisters League, made up of our Local and Affiliate groups all over the country, on the “end” of the Iraq war.

And please urge your local Congressional reps to sign on to Rep. Barney Frank’s “Dear Colleague” letter calling for a review of the military budget as a part of the work of the federal Deficit Reduction Commission. Act now!


Although we have been told that the Iraq war has officially come to an end, we, the local and national organizers of the War Resisters League, attest to the fact that the U.S. occupation of Iraq continues. This occupation directly inflicts danger and harm on the Iraqi people and stands in the way of Iraqi self-determination.

The War Resisters League fully endorses the Iraq Debacle statement, alongside partner organizations including CODEPINK, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Voices for Creative Nonviolence, Military Families Speak Out, Under the Hood GI Coffeehouse, and Courage to Resist.  We agree that the U.S. never attacked Iraq to support the people of Iraq. Rather, the intent has been for U.S. military control of the “strategic area” of West Asia for the benefit of U.S.-based and multinational companies, an extension of the Bush era project of global interventionism. This has taken a great toll primarily on the Iraqi people, but also on the people of the U.S., who have seen a growing war economy and increased militarism at home, including ongoing military recruiting with in communities of color and immigrant, poor, and rural communities, increased racial profiling against Muslim and Arab-Americans and unlawful detentions, including of U.S. citizens, within and outside of U.S. borders. Furthermore, it has taken a serious toll on the members of the U.S. Armed Forces, who continue to return home traumatized and injured, if at all, only to be deployed again to fight in these unconscionable wars.

We furthermore wish to underscore the central role of oil in the U.S. “strategy” in Iraq, which is to maintain thousands of troops and military contractors on the ground to support civilian U.S. forces stationed at permanent U.S. bases in the country. U.S. and multinational oil companies, including ExxonMobil, Royal Dutch Shell, BP, Halliburton, and KBR, have all “won” contracts to Iraq’s formerly nationalized oil fields.

We also wish to publicly support all Iraq war resisters, including those who are refusing to deploy or are fighting deployment in the U.S. Although the government and the mainstream media have reported that there are no longer any U.S. combat troops being sent to Iraq, 5,000 service members of the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment at Fort Hood, Texas were deployed to Iraq in the early morning hours of August 23rd. We support the resistance of those who have been protesting their deployment, including veterans, military families, and civilian activists at Under the Hood GI Coffeehouse.

As the war in Iraq has now officially shifted to a plan for a permanent U.S. occupation (all former “coalition” forces have completely exited the country), it remains the responsibility of the people of the U.S. to continue building a cross-sectional movement to push for a real end to the U.S. presence there in solidarity with the Iraqi people.

To find out more about organizing with WRL, email Kimber Heinz, WRL Organizing Coordinator, at kimber@warresisters.org.

WikiLeaks in Baghdad

Check out this article, posted in The Nation, from our friends at Civilian Soldiers Alliance and IVAW

WikiLeaks in Baghdad

Sarah Lazare and Ryan Harvey
July 29, 2010

One by one, soldiers just arriving in Baghdad were taken into a room and questioned by their commanding officers. “All questions led up to the big question,” explains former Army Spc. Josh Stieber. “If someone were to pull out a weapon in a marketplace full of unarmed civilians, would you open fire on that person, even if you knew you would hurt a lot of innocent people in the process?”

*To read more about Civilian Soldier Alliance, IVAW, and WRL organzing, click here to read about their efforts at the US Social Forum!

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